GC06: If You Hate RTSes, What Do You Say To Bruce Shelley? - Kotaku Comments

GC06: If You Hate RTSes, What Do You Say To Bruce Shelley?

Alkaidia — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:16:51 MDT

Well it looks like he found it humorous: http://ageofempires3.com/DevelopersBlog/Default.aspx?blogg...

Alkaidia

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Florian Eckhardt — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:57:27 MDT

Because it looked pretty and had cool units and Bruce was having a lot of fun and it just LOOKED like fun, if you enjoy the genre's central conceit. Which I don't.

Florian Eckhardt

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Thrillhaus — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:47:26 MDT

Dead on with the "fat americans and their diet cokes" observation, but as an RTS fan i must also call for your head for this non-chalant article about the game. "But if you like RTSes, which I don't, Age of Empires 3: War Chiefs looks totally great." And you would know because?

Thrillhaus

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dalziel_86 — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:41:44 MDT

Wow, a typical Florian article. Like journalism, only not.

dalziel_86

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6H05T R1d3R — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:47:27 MDT

my old roomie played rts games....all day....all night...i hate "rts"s, i hate horns blowing to tell you some one is attacking you, i hate people talking in languages i don't know without subtitles and never knowing what was truly said, if that guy was half a decent game designer the fact that you as a uninterested gamer were in front of him as an interviewer should have got him to jump at the chance to pick at your brain, not just play his own game like an anti-social ass (that's just the way my roomate was too... he was an accountant...yes sir real party animal that one!!)

6H05T R1d3R

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Brian Crecente — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:25:44 MDT

PS. click on my name before the says... snazzy.

Brian Crecente

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Brian Crecente — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:25:09 MDT

Yeah, Florian and I often don't see eye-to-eye, but I think this story and the Viva Pinata's piece were wonderful. Sure it didn't tell you much about the game, but it was a nice cultural piece and when taken as such, it was a fun read.

Brian Crecente

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kingofallcosmos — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:19:12 MDT

Wow, I am surprised at the comments! I have found Florian's coverage of this entire event to be of the highest quality. I enjoy reading Kotaku because it offers insights and opinions not found on other popular gaming sites I have read. Were I interested purely in reviews and previews, I would probably not spend time here. Thank you for your excellent coverage of GC06 and for offering us a colorful narrative of what it was like to be there.

kingofallcosmos

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DannoHung — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:08:45 MDT

I think Florian tried to act interested... and failed absolutely miserably.

DannoHung

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tzakiel — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:53:00 MDT

i thought it was an immature article and unprofessional handling of the interview. sorry.

i hate sports games, but if i was reporting on one, i'd at least try to act interested... right? it's out of respect to the person being interviewed as well as to your readers.

tzakiel

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nemyhlovecraft — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:24:51 MDT

nemyhlovecraft

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VakeroRokero — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:31:07 MDT

Welcome to professional journalism. You have to ask people for information, but girl go with an open mind! if you don't like something which will be the main subject, try to interview not for you but for people that might be interested in reading about it, don't put a mind barrier just because you don't like it.

That's the problem is the internet press (bloggers) all they do is copy-and-paste the news, so when the opportunity to interview someone, most come up short or end up being major asskissing.

VakeroRokero

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Donner, party of 4... er...3? — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:08:16 MDT

J. Goodwin - was that bowl of Kellogg's Pedantic Flakes delicious this morning?

Donner, party of 4... er...3?

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Brian Crecente — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:30 MDT

Shakesepeare ftw!

Brian Crecente

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FalcomAdol — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:31:54 MDT

It's hoised now, it wasn't hoised in 1602. It has not ever been hoisted.

Shakespeare's then current past-participle form of hoise was hoist, which is what he used.

'Hoise' has become hoist since then. The current proper past-participle of 'hoist' is generally 'hoisted', but the use of 'hoisted' as the past-participle causes the sense of the verb to become intransitive (does not take a direct object). Thus, hoised (a past-participle form which remains in the transitive sense).

FalcomAdol

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timebombtimmy — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:09:09 MDT

one would think bruce would want to try to show you how you might like this game even though its a genre you dont really get into. i did enjoy the article though. and really florian is not a journalist but a blogger, so dont expect super in depth stuff coming out of his opinion-spitting finger tips.

i liked Age2 alot for its multiplayer but never got into ANY rts's single player mode as i too am not very comfortable with rts interfaces nor do i know all of the keyboard shortcuts. while most people i play against pwn me horribly in the first 15 minutes or so, i do get enjoyment from playing. the new treaty mode would be my friend.

timebombtimmy

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SuicideNinja — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:08:01 MDT

No apologies required, Florian.

He should have spent some time asking for more details about what you abhor about RTS games so much.

Besides mechanics, I just don't find the concept amusing. Except for Aliens vs Predator: Extinction, anyway. Hearing those marines scream like little bitches as the Queen kicks their ass is awesome. LOL

SuicideNinja

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MookieFL — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:57:37 MDT

Uh, I think would only be "hoised" if it were still 1602...

MookieFL

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Ravidrath — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:56:53 MDT

While it would obviously be better if Kotaku was able to send someone that likes RTSs to this interview, things don't often work out that way in the real world. It's not like Kotaku has more than four staffers.

This "he doesn't like the genre" thing is something you see thrown at reviews a lot, as if every magazine has thousands of people that love each and every genre so they can optimally review everything. But, the reality is, it just doesn't work that way - magazine sales don't justify larger staffs, and magazine readers like "knowing" the reviewers' and their tastes, which legions of genre-specific freelancers works against.

While I'm sure this situation could've been handled more tactfully, the reality is that niche-entrenched developers like Bruce Shelley need to hear this sort of REALITY more often. The games industry isn't going to evolve and grow if we keep servicing the same people over and over, especially as development costs continue to skyrocket.

Also, in closing, I would like to say: New Games Journalism FTL.

Ravidrath

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thespunk — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:33:16 MDT

I actually laughed out loud. Funny stuff.

thespunk

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Florian Eckhardt — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:23:49 MDT

That's crazy informative, and I didn't know that. Still. IT"S NOT WHAT I SAID!

Florian Eckhardt

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FalcomAdol — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:09 MDT

Florian, the word is hoised. Hoisted is an intransitive form.

A flag can be hoisted into the air, but one must be hoised by one's own petard.

FalcomAdol

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ara — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:14:44 MDT

... not sure if one can call that journalism, but it's entertaining and somewhat informative. I'm just a bit puzzled about the revolting action, you don't usually revolt to fight agains another country...

ara

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Coherent — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:09:59 MDT

You were the wrong guy for this assignment. Personally, I love RTSes. Having a journalist do a preview of a game that he hates because of it's genre is just going to make Bruce Shelley uncomfortable with ever dealing with Kotaku again. "They hate what I do." is the impression you left behind.

Coherent

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mandarin — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:06:38 MDT

He sure looks cranky.

mandarin

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Man_s — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:06:34 MDT

Great writeup once again. I actually love RTSes and Age of Empires is one of my favourite series so I'll definitely get this.

That War Chief's Treaty Mode looks interesting, specially if you constantly get beaten by rushers.

And Florian, what is it with you that you find RTses so difficult to handle? I mean, I understand if we were talking about Korean Pro-gamer reaction speeds and such, but simple single player RTSing isn't all that difficult imho. By not playing some of these games you're definitely missing out.

Man_s